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Do you believe what Tamra said about Gretchen having another boyfriend and being paid to take care of Jeff? I wanted to believe her throughout the season but she seemed to have trouble keeping her story straight on the reunion show.

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I don’t think Tamra is a friend to anyone either. I think that her and Vicki team up on the other women because they know that they won’t stick up for them. However, I think that Gretchen came out looking like the better person for the simple fact of how she handled herself. I didn’t think that she kept her story really well, but honestley I don’t know how well I would have kept mine if one of my “so called friends” just went on national television (where you know Jeff’s family is watching) and blurted these accusation out without warning.

I think that Vicki and Tamra are so insecure about themselves that they have to put others down in order to feel good about themselves. I just don’t see how these women call each other friends! (wheew I really got in to that one haha)

curious65 | Feb 25, 2009

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I think Tamara is not a friend to anyone. i wouldn’t trust her. But i want to believe Gretchen ,but something doesn’t seem right.
Doc | Feb 25, 2009

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I agree,but I cannot stand Tamara!!! She thinks she is so perfect and is always putting everyone else down and is in everyone else’s business! As for Gretchen,I truly believed she loved Jeff,but now I’m not so sure!
mommy1234 | Feb 25, 2009

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Tamra sure did look different to me yesterday – I’m not sure if it was a different hairstyle or something she had done to her face but it sure didn’t change her nasty attitude. I think she was really trying to stir up the finale by bringing up the ex. But I do think that something was going on there with Gretchen and her ex in some way because at first she said he was a stalker and then he was with her and her family for a mini vacation. That’s a bit odd to me when you are engaged to someone else you’re having your ex still on your vacations. I’d be keeping my ex’s at a distance.

Gretchen did not seem to be too shaken by what happened, but when they did the close-up of her scratching her face you could see she was unraveling a bit. When someone licks their lips like she was, that’s a body language sign of discomfort and anxiety. I think there’s something more to the story that she doesn’t want to share.
kincaid1 | Feb 25, 2009

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I dont care for Tamara either, she just came off as so jealous and insacure. it was so high school how she acted though out the show. Gretchen and Lynne were two of my favorites, and Vicky just couldnt say sorry for being a bitch to Lynne.. I think Gretchen loved Jeff and if she did have something with another guy then, thats her business. I know i’ve had exboyfriends who still try to get back together even though im in a relationship. And also! Why was this guy calling Tamara?? How did he even have her number?!?
gg | Feb 25, 2009

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Tamara is just plain mean, she really made herself look like a fool last night. Her and Vicki deserve each other, they are both hateful!
Kathy | Nov 06, 1932

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Tamra is a very bitter and jealous person, same as Vicki…my question is why would she believe someone who calls her house at 1am over the person she calls her “friend”? She doesn’t even know this guy who is calling her and her hubby Simon is gonna call him back and talk for an hour????? I don’t get it…I never really liked either Vicki or Tamra, but this season just sealed the deal…they are just downright nasty rude people…money can’t buy you class!! I do think Gretchen genuinely loved Jeff and it was returned to her and I do think she is going through a difficult time now and is leaning on people from her past–who else do you go to, strangers? I just don’t know why this is such a problem for Tamra and Vicki inparticular–why the hell should they care? Tamra is two-faced and if any of the women are smart, they will watch their backs when they are around her (and her creepy son)! Did anyone see how Vicki tried to take Lynne breaking down and make it about her? Soooo pathetic!!!
jen36 | Feb 25, 2009

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You know Tamra was right. One second Gretchen is saying her ex is a stalker & the next she’s taking her ex out for lunch to meet Jeanna & Lynne & they just happen to coincidently be at bass lake together at the same time vacationing & Jay is a fmily friend yadayadayada….

Tamra came across as the villian but if anything I think she at least gave gretchen time to get her b*llshit story together by not telling anyone about this sooner. Also, WTF was that sh*t that Gretchen was saying Tamra was pimping her son on her at her ettiquette party. If anything Tamra kept telling ryan no
heimikkat | Feb 25, 2009

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Last season I liked Tamra but this season she was so terrible. I just don’t understand if she knew all this about Gretchen why did she wait to say something. I just think she is a HATER! I do think that situation with they guy Jay or whatever his name is happened but I think he just said that so Gretchen would come back and get him. And what I don’t understand is how did that guy get Tamra’s number. I like Gretchen and I believe her story.
Cami05 | Feb 25, 2009

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I didn’t like Tamra ever since she came on the show. She is very conceited and offensive. Last season she was making fun of Quinn for dating younger men and now she is picking on Gretchen for dating an older man. Tamra and Vicki are both very mean, vindictive and insecure women.

As a society we tend to demonize woman for being “gold diggers” and let the men off of the hook. Now Jeff was a successful business man. So obviously he is not a fool. He had to know that Gretchen was with him because he was supporting her and buying her lavish gifts. It would be hard for a lot of women to turn that down. Most men want to get rich because they want a pretty woman on their arm. Gretchen claimed she loved him for all of the right reasons. I am not convinced. I think if he were just a regular guy making an average salary she wouldn’t give him the time of day.

As far as Tamra’s accusations about Gretchen having a boyfriend on the side. It wouldn’t shock me if it were true. Tamra was trying to make Gretchen look bad but I think she made herself look bad. What would she have to gain by spilling those beans? Why go out of your way to ruin someone’s reputation? If Gretchen really is doing this then she will get what’s coming to her.
kystik83 | Feb 25, 2009

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I definitely believe Tamra. A close family friend of mine would not call up my enemy and say these things. A pissed off lover would.
Shan T | Feb 25, 2009

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My question is who cares? Let’s just say Gretchen was being paid by Jeff to take care of him, isn’t that their business? If it worked for them then why should Tamara care? That she called Gretchen out like that made her look so bad and high school. And Vicki just couldn’t admit any wrongdoing. Her only response to the other girls for hurting their feelings was “well you did it too”. Nice.
Ramblinwreckgirl | Feb 25, 2009

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i’m not at all a fan of tamra, like many have already said… she seems to be a very bitter and jealous person…
… but i think there might be some truth to her story last night about this “jay” guy. his name is actually jay photoglou and i did some looking around online after the show and it seems like it was possible that they dated or were “close” while she was with jeff. jay has a myspace and has an album full of pictures of him and gretchen. sure, they could be just good friends… but some of the photos did look like very couple-sy type pictures. theres one of him actually grabbing both of her boobs and she’s laughing and smiling. don’t know when a lot of the pictures were taken – but she is wearing the engagement ring in most all of the pictures.

… and gretchen did look very uncomfortable when tamra was talking about it on the show last night. you could tell when the host said “so you are single?” and “so you’re not dating anyone right now and haven’t been”… her answer “no” seemed very hesitant and very nervous.
jesser | Feb 25, 2009

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I agree w/ some of the above posters. At first, I thought wow Gretchen is a gold digger. But you know what? Jeff is a grown man and whatever the situation was there, it’s nobody’s business. Tamara acts like she is such a saint. And Vicki Icky well… don’t get me started on her. Lynne… yeah she’s not the greatest parent… yeah she’s ditzy… but geez cut her some slack ladies. They’re just plain mean.
MR | Feb 25, 2009